WebGuy
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| 10/13/2008 7:08 AM |
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I've been racing 3/4 Masters 35+ in OVCX events. Which category should I race in the USGP to get the correct points for my "regular" OVCX category?
They only have a 2/3 Men and a Masters 35+ (Cat 1 - 3) which I'm registered for already.
Just want to make sure I'm racing in the right race for points.
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DARoemer
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| 10/13/2008 1:39 PM |
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I need to second the question, but for a lousy Cat 4 racer, not a Cat 3 like Steven. I can't realistically race the Cat 1-3 35+ or the 2/3, as a Cat 4 (cx) racer (I'm still cat 5 road). Will I still get points toward my regular 3/4 35+ OVCX standings by racing the Cat. 4 Open race at the USGP? I need all the races I run in to count, if I'm going to get all 7 in for the year, so I just want to make sure I will be getting points toward the final standings.
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ybbond
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| 10/13/2008 10:02 PM |
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Actually last year the Masters Category was technically Cat 4 - which is what you raced at USGP -(Cat 4) - now that it is a Cat 3/4 Master's Category - It is kind of messed up...... as Cat 4's can not do the UCI Master's 1-3 race........ and 3's cannot do the 4's race..... so they might not even be able to count points for the regular series from either event.......
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DARoemer
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| 10/13/2008 10:25 PM |
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Mitch, Doug? Anyone from OVCX?
Is this something we can work around? Can cat 4 masters race the USGP races in the Cat 4 open (technically still racing up), and have the points (or the 3/4 Masters equivilent for our finishing place) still count toward year end 3/4 Masters overall standings? |
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cvv
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| 10/14/2008 9:09 AM |
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Hi Guys,
Just to clarify the USGP categories from our end. All is the same as last year for us:
The USGP 35+Masters (Cat 1-3) was the same last year.
The Cat 4 category was and is a straight up Cat 4. There is no 3/4 Masters Category in USGP (there is a WOMANs 3/4 category)
There is a 2/3 (men's category) for those 3s who do not want to race the USGP 35+ Masters Category or who are under 35 years of age.
I know this doesn't address your series points questions but wanted to be sure our categories were at least clear.
See you all soon! |
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Kayzak
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| 10/14/2008 11:11 AM |
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| Last year, I was signed up for the Cat 4 race on Saturday. I got there too late to check in, but they did let me race the Masters. Believe me, there is no way I have ever been confused with a 1/2/3 rider. |
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WebGuy
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| 10/14/2008 11:42 AM |
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| FYI - Some emails are already going around about this today. Hang in there...should have a direction by the end of the day. |
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Steven Webster
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DARoemer
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| 10/14/2008 11:46 AM |
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| Cool. Thanks Steven. I'll race in whatever race will get me points toward the OVCX Standings for 3/4 35+, keeping in mind that I am a Cat. 4, so the UCI/USGP may have a say in which races I'm even allowed in. I don't want to be an additional obstacle out there - at least not any more of one than usual (ha). |
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WebGuy
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| 10/14/2008 11:56 AM |
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Doug, you're right. I think it will come down to two things. Which cat "can" you race in and then if you have choices...which cat "should" you race in.
For Cat 4 there is only one race. For 3's there are two (2/3 and 1/2/3 Masters). My understanding is that the 1/2/3 Masters is insanely fast (ex pros) and local 3s run the risk of getting lapped and pulled (thus no points for anything).
So...the question is since most of us are not following the USGP tour, which cats can we get still get OVCX "credit" for? |
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KennyS
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| 10/14/2008 10:59 PM |
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So after deciding on what cat race you are going to do, all of the ones that are currently racing the 3/4 master 35+ and the 45+ class that have a Cat 4 license will most likely do the Cat4 open race, along with the ones that are already doing the cat 4 open class.. So that is going to be confusing when points are given into the OVCX series, because currently they are all seperate. Unless some one that is better with numbers than me divides them out after the race.
Also, wonder how they will do the call ups. Possibly, 1st in the 45+, then 1st in the 35+, then 1st in open 4, then 2nd in the 45+, then 2nd in the 35+, then 2nd in the open 4, and so on and so forth.
then to make matters worse, the guys that are currently racing the 3/4 45+ and 35+, that hold a cat 3 license will have to race another class. How will they be included in the points.
I hate to say this, but it might be the best to not include the GP in the points series. OK every body throw stuff. |
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WebGuy
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| 10/15/2008 12:05 AM |
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Yeah...kind of crazy isn't it. I had my choice: 2/3 and be killed or 1/2/3 Masters and be shot and run over then killed. I chose 2/3.
Hopefully the boys at OVCX will be able to put this humpty back together again. |
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racerxtr
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| 10/15/2008 2:46 AM |
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I'm with Kenny. GP shouldn't count. I don't see how they can do it. The 123 Masters is a whole other ball game from the 3/4 Masters. I was pack fill in the 123 and based on the lap times at Harbin would have won the 3/4 masters. Good luck deciding which race to do and remember. Its all good! : )
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halioris
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| 10/15/2008 10:44 AM |
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| I believe Kenny has to be right, there is no other way around it. You would have people competing with Steven in the 3/4 35+ racing in the 4 Open if they were a Cat 4, or in the 2/3 if they were a Cat 3 like Steven. Given a Cat 4 that is of the same caliber as Steven, that person will place much better in a Cat 4 field than in a Cat 2/3 field. It would not be fair to allow any points to count. Hence, my guess is that they can't allow any points for these two races towards the Mens 3/4 35+/45+ or the Womens 3/4 35+. Would be nice to hear the OVCX folks confirm that though. |
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cameronpoole
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| 10/15/2008 11:29 AM |
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Callups for the cat 4 race are going to be solely based on order of registration.
From the website:
Cat 2/3 Men, Masters 45+ and Masters 55+ - top 8 in each group from Local series standings (OCVX, Mid-Atlantic Cyclocross series, Cross Crusade) then by order of registration.
Cat 4 Men, Cat 3/4 Women, Junior 10-16 - by order of registration.
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WebGuy
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| 10/15/2008 12:00 PM |
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| I posted a poll about this here. |
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Steven Webster
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DARoemer
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| 10/15/2008 4:56 PM |
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I responded with my .02 in the poll thread, but just to reiterate, I just wish they'd have made this clear from the beginning, so Cat 4 masters couldve made an informed decision about which class to race in if they wanted to get points in their races toward the season ending standings...Oh, and I love that call-ups are according to order of registration, considering this confusion. Not only won't cat 4 masters earn any points, but if we waited to find out what category we were supposed to register in, now we're screwed on starting place too. "Hey friends and family, come watch me race in a race that doesn't matter, and where I get to start in the back row and have no chance of getting anywhere near the front of the race". Yeah, I'm a little peeved right now...I'll get over it, and then have fun racing, regardless.
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molnar
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| 10/15/2008 5:41 PM |
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| i have an idea. this might take some work though. i will have a tent set up again this year, this could be the registration/sign area. why not just have everyone that races sign a sheet and say here is my #, my class, and my name. if you don't sign up your points don't count. ok, say your just pack fill in the race and ended up 25th but your were the 1st person from ovcx series in your class then you could get first place points and so on down the line. just an idea. most people don't listen to me any way. |
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