Gojira
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| 08/08/2008 10:06 AM |
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Does anyone know if the sharpened stick piles on the oppisite side of beargrass, directly behind frisbee field, are legit? It would be nice if when people do changes like this they would put small high visible orange flags or spray paint on the trail to indicate DANGER AHEAD.
I nearly lost a lung and a nut on those traps yesterday.
I'd hate to see that piece go. It's been my trail opener for years.
I also noticed that the chute prior to the archery range is blocked again.
I'd like to know if these changes are legal or not. I moved some of it and if it's not legit it all goes back to normal. |
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chuck_clark
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| 08/08/2008 10:18 AM |
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I can't answer you about the sharpened sticks.
I do know there was some work on the KyMBA downhill to close the old "rogue" trail that crosses the current trail. This old trail used to be used for people to gather speed before they hit the creek jump. I think it's been mentioned in other threads, but the current and obvious trail is the only legit trail on that hillside. I could describe to you at least a 1/2 dozen closed or non-approved sections up there, but that is why the current loop was put in there to begin with. It used to be a spiderweb of fall line trails.
I would contact Dulin if you believe there has been some sort of trail sabotage beinng done to legal trail. As far as the hillside where you moved things, I think you undone what was done last weekend by KyMBA folks. |
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Gojira
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| 08/08/2008 10:24 AM |
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I moved some of the sticks along the creek, dog hill side, just behind frisbee. Mainly so I could get momentum to get back out of there once I realized it was all blocked on my single speed. ;-D
I forgot to mention that this was not like this on Monday or Wednesday night. So I figure this work was done yesterday before 6:30 or so when I got out.
Nearly every intersection of that trail is covered with sticks right now. Sharp ones too. So legal or not if anyone rides there be careful!
I know the creek jump trail that intersects and the only piece that I use any more is the final chute down to creek level. It's blocked now (again!) as I mentioned before.
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MEK
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| 08/08/2008 10:27 AM |
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Your talking about the Log Crossing? Its been there for a couple months. Even knowing this I still throw my shoulder out due to its location. I likes it but have to agree that it is on a blind turn flat section so approach speed always seems to be an issue with me. Not that speed or lack of is ever an issue with me ..... just saying.
You riding tonight Chuckles? |
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Gojira
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| 08/08/2008 10:37 AM |
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Posted By MEK on 08/08/2008 10:27 AM
Your talking about the Log Crossing? Its been there for a couple months. Even knowing this I still throw my shoulder out due to its location. I likes it but have to agree that it is on a blind turn flat section so approach speed always seems to be an issue with me. Not that speed or lack of is ever an issue with me ..... just saying.
You riding tonight Chuckles?
Nope it's all just after the log crossing. Lots of big sticks blocking every intersection after it. Whether you head on the trail that goes directly up to the paved path or take the trail along beargrass, they are both piled up.
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MEK
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| 08/08/2008 10:49 AM |
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| OK. Chuck is right. These have been put in to redirect Mtbkrs/Hikers/doggie walkers . It was a huge spiderweb. |
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Gojira
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| 08/08/2008 10:57 AM |
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Is the whole section closed now? I couldn't find a open route through it.
I typically drop in from just past the bridge on scenic loop, follow it around beargrass, veer right at the first fork (left takes you to the old dirt bowl thats now eroded out), and then drop left and follow beargrass or go up through that whoop section and cut back to the same beargrass trail.
Something along these lines: |
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Tonybob
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| 08/08/2008 11:08 AM |
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| Generally seems safe to assume, if someone has moved a buncha crap into a trail, it may be closed. I would also think rather than undoing all the work then asking questions...oh never mind. |
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Gojira
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| 08/08/2008 11:37 AM |
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Posted By Tonybob on 08/08/2008 11:08 AM
Generally seems safe to assume, if someone has moved a buncha crap into a trail, it may be closed. I would also think rather than undoing all the work then asking questions...oh never mind.
No new signs and it was open all week. I only moved enough, last night, to safely get out of there and then posted this today.
If it's closed entirely I'd like to understand why that's the case. Is that so bad? |
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BarryL
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| 08/08/2008 11:52 AM |
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I was under the impression that little web of trails has been closed for a few years... I used to ride that, and the entrance trail to the park from the lot on Lexington...I thought they shut down everything S of BG creek...some time ago...
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chuck_clark
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| 08/08/2008 1:23 PM |
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Posted By MEK on 08/08/2008 10:27 AM
You riding tonight Chuckles? Wish I could. Trying to get together a Waverly pre-ride on Saturday early afternoon, but it doesn't look too promising.
My previous comments were only in reference to the KyMBA downhill which used to be a trail tangle that the above pictured trails now are.
Barry is right, when the trails on the "other" side of the creek were closed, these were obviously closed as well. I remember when they closed that chute from the road we used to always cross when coming back into the park from Lexington Rd. park entrance.
I actually didn't know this section was officially open till Rusty plotted the race course through there. I knew people still rode them on more than an occasional basis, but nothing was official.
Gojira: My offer is still open for free guide service of all the open trails and best "flow" of these trails.
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Tonybob
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| 08/08/2008 4:35 PM |
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understanding, is not a bad thing. however it seems you post the same thing every week or so "i was riding along and it looked like someone covered a trail up but didnt put a up a billboard explaining their actions to me and its my favorite little washout, so i moved all the stuff..."
here is a little nugget to keep with you; if the trail shows signs of erosion, goes straight up (or down, depends on your vantage point), looks to have been covered with branches and scrub (pointy or not) and there is a newer trail in the same area that leads you to roughly the same place as the old trail, even if you liked the old washed out one, it prolly means the thing you just uncovered was/is being closed. not a hard and fast rule, but safe to assume i think. |
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Gojira
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| 08/08/2008 4:48 PM |
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Posted By Tonybob on 08/08/2008 4:35 PM
understanding, is not a bad thing. however it seems you post the same thing every week or so "i was riding along and it looked like someone covered a trail up but didnt put a up a billboard explaining their actions to me and its my favorite little washout, so i moved all the stuff..."
here is a little nugget to keep with you; if the trail shows signs of erosion, goes straight up (or down, depends on your vantage point), looks to have been covered with branches and scrub (pointy or not) and there is a newer trail in the same area that leads you to roughly the same place as the old trail, even if you liked the old washed out one, it prolly means the thing you just uncovered was/is being closed. not a hard and fast rule, but safe to assume i think.
That's silly and not the case. The only place that I have moved blockage from is the chute leading to the creek jump. Other than last night of course and that was to make it out. None of these areas are washed out or eroded to the point of being what I consider damaging. No reroutes are at either section they are just simply buried and deemed closed. I think a simple marker (not a billboard) for safety sack isn't too much to ask. If it's a known marker then folks like me will know that it's actually legit work (landowner sanctioned) and not some solo anti-rut crusader doing what he thinks is best.
Posting here is where I think is the best place to voice questions about whether trail changes are legit or not. I think that most people care enough to consider these posts.
If not, I'll just give up and move everything you guys implement and ride where I want. Is that where this should go?
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russell g
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| 08/08/2008 5:29 PM |
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the trail that leads to the creek jumps is closed by order of Metro Parks. Please do not ride up or down this trail. They have been working on closing this trail but somebody keeps moving the deadwood that was supposed to deter usage. Same goes for the straight line of a trail that cuts across all the switchback and leads in to the old creek jumps.
Gojira I understand your confusion and do not blame you for removing branches from closed trails. But as of now there is a lot of spiderweb trails that will be closed. Unfortunately they may not all have signs indicating the trail closure. So, if you come across what you believe to be a closed trail then most likely it is. Some trails are closed and you may never even realize it since it is completely covered and camo'd but when your dealing with a trail that is basically a big baseball field it's a little harder to bury. I will talk with metro about some signs to indicate any trail closures. Cool?
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BarryL
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| 08/08/2008 6:54 PM |
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I can only think of one entity that would purposely block a trail with sticks, thorns, bikes, bodies etc... That would be MP (metro parks). Why would anyone else go through the trouble? And they usually pile it up pretty good. To be on the safe side, I wouldn't ride anything that had obviously been blocked...pretty good rule of thumb...
Now someone loan me a bike for Tuesday please...it'll be in good hands, and I'll buy you a snickers bar...
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russell g
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| 08/08/2008 7:16 PM |
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what size you need Barry?
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Dark Helmet
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| 08/08/2008 7:22 PM |
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| Yeah what size, what kinda bike. What happened to that sweet Superlight Barry? |
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Gojira
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| 08/08/2008 8:14 PM |
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Thanks for the clarification and response Russ.
Maybe someone could post trail section closings and reroutes on the forums here to give some kind of a heads up in the future. Perhaps a new forum section is in order? this will keep the trail users informed and safe. It would also keep everyone in the know of land owner directives.
Otherwise it will be a fuggin free for all and no one wants that. Fighting amongst ourselves is stupid. We're all brothers and sisters trying to live wild and free in the middle of a big city. |
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| 08/08/2008 8:38 PM |
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I need a med...the guy is about 5"7" ish... seasoned rider so he could handle a decent setup...he'd ride a large if he had to...
thanks! |
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Chris Ward
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| 08/08/2008 9:12 PM |
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Gojira
This is the place to ask questions about trail issues. Don't let anybody discourage you from posting on here.
Thanks
Chris |
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