Duane
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| 06/02/2008 3:17 PM |
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Posted By zherz on 06/02/2008 2:50 PM I don't remember that. Which race? Duffield, 2006.
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zherz
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| 06/02/2008 3:51 PM |
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| I think your thinking '05 where we started up the creek. I wrecked trying to bunny hop a big log. I remember that. |
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Duane
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| 06/02/2008 6:26 PM |
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Nah, I think it was 06, we were heading down along the creek when you tried to pass me and hit a whoop-de-doo and dumped it. It was funny. At least I think it was you. |
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Rowbear
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| 06/02/2008 7:56 PM |
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| duane, I just looked at the flyer, for experts it says 5 laps, 25 miles. ARE YOU INSANE? 25 miles at Duffield is a long sucky day. |
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pat_collins
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| 06/02/2008 9:02 PM |
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Posted By Tonybob on 06/02/2008 2:10 PM Pat, dont dish what you cant take
Dude, I was kidding, not sure how you missed that.....all of that EPO must be getting to your sense of humor. |
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Duane
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| 06/02/2008 9:41 PM |
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Posted By Rowbear on 06/02/2008 7:56 PM duane, I just looked at the flyer, for experts it says 5 laps, 25 miles. ARE YOU INSANE? 25 miles at Duffield is a long sucky day. You gotta work for the paycheck.
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russell g
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| 06/02/2008 10:16 PM |
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| Duffield, ahhh I loves me some Duffield. Roadie free for over 200 years. |
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RIC0
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| 06/03/2008 7:28 AM |
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| Well my lower back has finally started to feel good after putting in a bunch of miles. Unfortunatly I had a pretty bad spill on a kneeboard at Nolin lake this past weekend and destroyed my lower back. I don't see myself on a bike for a few weeks, I'll be at Duffield to cheer you weirdo's on but no racing for me.. :( |
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Tonybob
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| 06/03/2008 9:53 AM |
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Posted By pat_collins on 06/02/2008 9:02 PM Posted By Tonybob on 06/02/2008 2:10 PM Pat, dont dish what you cant take Dude, I was kidding, not sure how you missed that.....all of that EPO must be getting to your sense of humor.
sorry, i couldnt see you winking. and i'm EPO free, I just put my blood in the paint shaker.
just talked to rusty, we will be going out and cutting down trees across and placing rocks in the trail so it is more like a 5 mile trials course. lap times should be around 2 hours, bring a camelbak.
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RIC0
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| 06/03/2008 10:24 AM |
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Posted By Tonybob on 06/03/2008 9:53 AM
Posted By pat_collins on 06/02/2008 9:02 PM
Posted By Tonybob on 06/02/2008 2:10 PM Pat, dont dish what you cant take Dude, I was kidding, not sure how you missed that.....all of that EPO must be getting to your sense of humor. sorry, i couldnt see you winking. and i'm EPO free, I just put my blood in the paint shaker. just talked to rusty, we will be going out and cutting down trees across and placing rocks in the trail so it is more like a 5 mile trials course. lap times should be around 2 hours, bring a camelbak.
I'm actually going to get a couple buddies to run their ATV's backwards on the race loop to throw in a little fun for you guys. They will NOT be using anytype of trail etiquite, yeild to them or get run ova. |
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Tonybob
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| 06/03/2008 12:33 PM |
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Sweet! Thanks Rico, that should provide plenty of "challenge." I am still curious, since Bruce def. has the say over what is done at Duff, what has been taken out of Duff, or Waverly, for the races? If you're going to say its been done, I need more than "well i think i remember someone once talking about doing that..." And also, what NORBA course are you refering to, the one you read about being easy? By all means, I am extending an invite to travel along so you can experience as many "non-technical, easy" race courses you like. I like ya Chris, but c'mon buddy, I think youre comin off half cocked here. |
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RIC0
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| 06/03/2008 12:35 PM |
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| I know for a fact that a log crossing was taken out at Duffield last year on the trail heading toward the quarry. It was about halfway down the road and made for a challenge to get over the log or go over the ledge down into the ditch next to the road. |
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RJ Reynolds
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| 06/03/2008 1:15 PM |
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| i know the one you are talking about Rico. It wasn't taken out by a race director though. they were just as shocked |
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RIC0
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| 06/03/2008 1:48 PM |
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Posted By RJ Reynolds on 06/03/2008 1:15 PM i know the one you are talking about Rico. It wasn't taken out by a race director though. they were just as shocked
I didnt' mean to come across pointing fingers just pointing out a log crossing that was taken out. |
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Chris Ward
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| 06/03/2008 1:50 PM |
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Anthony, I’m pretty sure that you have either posted or told me in person that Norba courses were becoming more tame as far as technicality goes. I thought you even said that this was being done to increase speed. I seem remember you saying that if you want a course to be technical ride it faster or something along those lines. Correct me if I am putting words into your mouth, I may have you mixed up with someone else. I have read something similar in some bike magazine. It is been a while since I seen or heard anything on this, but I am pretty sure that I have heard and read this.
The log Rico mentions is just one example of this. The funny thing about that log crossing Rico mentions is that in 06 the people putting on the race wanted it to be removed, I was told then that it was dangerous. I was surprised that they did not remove it in 06. The I pre-rode Duffield the Saturday of race weekend in 07 and surprise surprise the log crossing was gone. Since I have been racing/riding which started in 05 logs or other obstacles have been removed from Duffield and other venues in the area almost every time a race is held. Someone last year wanted the little rocks in the front of Waverly removed, and than recently the big bump on the Hogans reroute was removed because partly because of concern for the race.
I understand that trails change, and that you can’t always please everybody. Trails being changed and rerouted is part of MTBing. If this is going to happen it should be for the right reasons, not just for an event. The removal of obstacles by the race director or people on their own for the sake of the race sucks, it should not be happening. I brought it up in hopes that bringing the issue to the fore front well help prevent it from happening. Every year people complain about it, I decided to say something. This is not the only place I will be bringing it up, I will talk to other trail leaders and the land managers as well.
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Chris Ward
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| 06/03/2008 1:50 PM |
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See post above, accidental double post |
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Tonybob
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| 06/03/2008 3:53 PM |
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Fair enough. Not trying to pick on you there, but I take it a bit personally when folks feel the need to try to diminsh what XC racing is by repeating lazy mantras from the magazines, blogs and disgruntled friends saying that courses are too fast easy, etc. You are partially correct on what I said. Someone once complained of a course being too easy and my reply was that if that was the case then you prolly were not going fast enough. Norba National type courses generally lack imagination more than anything. Making things harder just for the sake of making things hard (ie disrupting flow) is silly – I guess you guys would have to agree somewhat or there wouldnt be like 10 new bridges or cribbed log crossings at Waverly. Sorry, but I will take Duffield 2008 over Duffield 1996 anyday (for all you not around then, basically a 2 foot tall log every 100 yards. slightly exaggerating). |
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Chris Ward
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| 06/03/2008 4:26 PM |
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I do think flow is important, I think we have plenty of trails that have great flow. So I am not advocating changing that, I'm advocating that we do not have alot of technical trails and that the technical trails we do have should be kept technical.
When trees fall at Waverly I ask people and examine rather or not they are messing up the flow. If it is in an already slow section of trail, they are left were they fell. If is a fast section they are cut out. I have even posted on kymba to get input. If a tree fell on the autobond, it would be taken, or the imba down hill, for example.
I have done cross country racing, I know it is very challenging, I'm not trying to knock it in general or say that it is easy. I will say that a course devoid of any technical challenge aside from how fast you can ride is boring. With that being said I would not want to ride the duffield that you describe from 1996 either. I like variety, and seems most others do to. |
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G-MAN
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| 06/03/2008 6:05 PM |
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| OK...you guys need to hug each other now... |
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RJ Reynolds
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| 06/03/2008 7:56 PM |
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Posted By Chris Ward on 06/03/2008 1:50 PM
and than recently the big bump on the Hogans reroute was removed because partly because of concern for the race.
The reason this got knocked down some was because there had been a broken colar bone and another serious wreck with in a weak of each other because it was poorly designed. It still needs some work as it sits now. The back side drops straight off theres no reall "good" or "smooth" way to hit it at speed. All it would take is the back side to be mellowed out some and it would be good. These changes would have been made race or no race. |
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