russell g
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| 06/03/2008 8:49 PM |
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this message is from our beloved President Mike Dulin
National Trails Day is this coming Saturday and KyMBA will be hosting a
trail work session in Cherokee Park to mark the occasion. We will be
meeting near the tennis court at Chaffeur's Rest (top of the hill,
close to the new re-route, near park boundary road/ barret hill rd/
casselberry intersection).
We will be clearing vegitation in the
morning and cutting in a few new minor reroutes near no-net in the
afternoon. Any and all are welcome and don't be shy about bringing
friends or family. As always, we will provide tools, snacks and water -
but with the summer temps, it's a good idea to bring your own camelback
as well.
Bluegrass Bicycles will be there to lend a hand and Cycler's Cafe will stop in with snacks/drinks and heck maybe a lil prize or two.
Thanks again everyone.
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the weak link
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| 06/04/2008 11:31 AM |
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Mike lied. Plants died.
No blood for trail.
Where are the weapons of branch destruction?
Is this going to be a Ron Paul rally? REALLY? |
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scopes monkey
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| 06/05/2008 2:35 PM |
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"D" The President
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scopes monkey
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| 06/05/2008 2:36 PM |
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| What time are you starting? |
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fasterdulin
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| 06/06/2008 12:14 AM |
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We will be meeting at 9 at chaffeur's rest and walking down the hill to the work sites. Should be around 95 degrees by lunchtime. awesome.
Hope to see you there. |
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chuck_clark
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| 06/06/2008 11:17 AM |
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I think I can work a few hours. If the little one gets a fever (multiple ear infections lately and he is cranky again), I won't be there. Otherwise, see you guys at 9.
Are the no-net changes set in stone Dulin? |
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fasterdulin
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| 06/06/2008 12:00 PM |
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| We'd be glad to have you for any amount of time. As for the no net, actually, we won't be making much of a change at all. We'll basically keep the trail footprint right where it is and re route a portion of the approaches on either side. The rock ledge is the best place to have the trail - in terms of fun and stable trail surface - and we wanted to preserve those aspects of that section and just make it a little less scary. |
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chuck_clark
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| 06/06/2008 12:14 PM |
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I was thinking more of the sweeping, rooty downhill well before the waterfall. Maybe, I will just chat with you tomorrow.
Lastly, anyone want to ride beforehand? Say 7:30 a.m. from Chaffeur's Rest? I'll be there. |
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Chris Ward
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| 06/06/2008 9:27 PM |
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Chuck, I think I know what your are talking about. I noticed tonight that it looked that was flagged for reroute.
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AaronAnderson
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| 06/06/2008 10:01 PM |
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| Cool. I don't know anyone that will be there, but I'll look for the people workin. Probably be there around 10. |
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fasterdulin
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| 06/07/2008 10:30 PM |
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Thanks to everyone that came out today. Despite the heat, we were able to complete a new trail alignment near the no-net crossing. There was an awesome turnout and the new section turned out pretty sweet. Hope everyone gets a chance to check it out soon.
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BarryL
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| 06/08/2008 7:08 PM |
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rode it today...cudo's to those who's sweat was sweated for the betterment of our wonderful trail system at Cherokee...very nice re-cut...much safer...and thanks to whomever cut back the foliage on the trail that goes down to the overpass/golf course trail...No more face whippings...
I express sincere thanks to those who gave up their time...
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bigcountry
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| 06/08/2008 7:57 PM |
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the new section blows. not only is it an insult to those who are actual mountain bike riders, but it is also an eye sore. what was a natural looking trail, now looks like a wheelchair accessable dirt path.
I really hope that the other section that has been closed, is opened up for the people who actually are off road bicycle enthusiast and not racers.
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russell g
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| 06/08/2008 8:10 PM |
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| by enthusiasts do you mean someone that doesn't do trail work, show up at a race, help out with advocating new trails, out of shape fair weather rider who complains about the trail work that they do not help with? |
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bigcountry
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| 06/08/2008 8:20 PM |
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rusty, by enthusiast i mean people who ride their bikes for the sake of riding bikes. racing and trail advocacy have nothing to do w/ each other.
I realize that some live in a pipe dream and feel if they don't race their mountain bikes that they are not actual mountain bikers. thank goodness this is the minorioty, unfortunately this minorioty is the most vocal.
it does make me laugh when someone shows up for one day of trail maintenance and then wants to criticize everyone else that did not show up that day.
I hope the cherokee race goes off w/o a hitch, but in reality, a one day event does not do good for long term interest in trails riding.
I know you are one of the racers w/ a huge ego, but you gotta realize racing will not be the savior of mountain biking, it will be it's death.
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russell g
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| 06/08/2008 8:55 PM |
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| actually racing has a huge impact on trail advocacy. example. Team Louisville is donating money to the Friends of the Fort from race proceeds. 2wheelsports is donating basically all of the proceeds to the Olmstead Conservancy the EI race is benefiting the park to upkeep a historic grave site. This is what creates good relationships with the parks shows we are a responsible and giving group, which allows us to create new trails and keep the ones we have. Hosting a race incites the promoters to clean the trails of debris, overgrowth, impassable trees down etc. that all the enthusiasts can enjoy. But to say that xc racing is killing the sport is very uninformed. If that is the way you feel how can you sleep at night after selling a KHS xc race bike knowing that you are contributing to the "death" of mountainbiking>? |
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BarryL
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| 06/08/2008 9:06 PM |
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I think racing is good for the activity as a whole. Races bring PR, excitement, build camaraderie, and force someone to get the trails in shape ;-) I race simply to challenge myself to complete a Sport class race...
What the mini-marathon does for running is a larger picture of what mountain bike races might do someday for our group.
I could see why someone that likes technical sections would not like the re-route. But I think it's good. And it's a very small part of the whole trail...and the end part is far more difficult that the part that was re-routed.
In the grand scheme, I think riding at Cherokee / Seneca is a blast. In an urban setting like that I think MP and Kymba have done a great job with limited resources, and coming out of an era when mountain bikes were about to get the boot.
I think in 10 years we'll look back and say we've come a long way...I hope..
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Jeff Viniard
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| 06/08/2008 9:07 PM |
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Posted By bigcountry on 06/08/2008 8:20 PM
I know you are one of the racers w/ a huge ego, but you gotta realize racing will not be the savior of mountain biking, it will be it's death.
Without entirely understanding how racing will be the death of mountain biking, I beg to differ, BC. For an urban trail like Cherokee that garners gobs of traffic every day of the week, wet or dry (or tacky), Winter or Summer, big races *may* constitute too much stress on the trail. But for us guys in rural areas whose trails don't see a lot of different users, racing brings in a lot of fresh blood to the area. In the years I've worked/ran the Racer Rampage, there's always a number of guys exposed to Barkley for the first time, many of whom end up riding there regularly. Now a dozen new users at Waverly or Cherokee is small potatoes, but the same number is downright noticable out in our neck of the woods.
Regarding the actual no-net reroute... Speaking as a guy who - before he was tainted by MTB racing - sent his new bike over the cliff at that area and almost ended up going over himself, I'm quite glad the re-route's in place. "It looks terrible" you say? Big freakin surprise, it's 30 hours old! Give it time and see what you think. Personally, I couldn't care either way how the trail looks, as long as it feels good underfoot.
Ending things on a positive note: those lenses I bought off you RAWK!
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jhamner
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| 06/08/2008 10:55 PM |
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| I don't race and I haven't officially worked on a trail but I have moved some sticks and hanging branches. I haven't went to any meetings or advocacy events because I'm new to riding. Being a noob, I'm also an out of shape fair weather rider. BUT, I CAN tell you that I AM AN ENTHUSIAST RECREATIONAL RIDER. I love the technical sections at Cherokee. I definitely don't want to ride a wide open trail. I will check out the new section this week to see what's up. |
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Tonybob
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| 06/08/2008 11:47 PM |
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BC, all youve done is moan about the new trails in Cherokee after the fact. If you would bother to come out at any point in the process, you would find the Major is the best thing to happen to mountain biking in Cherokee, ever. He is totally receptive to any [good] idea, (you may even be seeing 100% legal dirt jumps in the park soon). But, here is the trick, you have to show up to be heard. This isn't me on a trailwork high-horse either, Lord knows I spend more time turning pedals than dirt, just stating the facts.
We are all really impressed you want to ride the worst, most gnarly trails known, and you know what? The Cherokee trails you miss (rooted fall line wash-out), well, you can find that crap everywhere there are woods. Go there and ride. I for one appreciate being able to go to Cherokee and ride 25 miles without feeling like I have gone 5 rounds with Tyson, or having to do 6 laps to get said milage. I like that I can go to Cherokee 2 days after it rains and ride dry/tacky trails (you couldn't do that 10 years ago). I also like that after years of Olmstead Conservancy treating us like Satan + Hitler on 2 wheels and trying to boot us from the park, we are now working with them and Metro Parks to build a trail system mountain bikers will be able to enjoy for years (good for your business).
Anyway, there is going to be another mile or so added into Cherokee this summer (sorry, I know that just sucks). So rather than whine about not being up to your standards after it is finished, come out and help flag, cut or just give input. In other words, to paraphrase, be part of the solution rather than just being a problem.
And to repeat from another thread, the re-route was going to happen race or no race.
If youre just trying to stir the pot, get a life and a more constructive topic. I'm sure you'll pop up on IM tomorrow, talk to ya then. |
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